Thursday, June 26, 2014

The Paradoxical Problem with the (self-refuting) Abrahamic God

This topic has been discussed millions of times before... on various forums, blogs, youtube channels and whatnot.
I don't have much to add to it, but I feel obligated to include it in my blog due to its importance.

The topic I talk about is of course how The Abrahamic God Refutes his own Existence by Definition.

Important note here:
This is NOT a refutation for every possible God there is.
Some kind of a God might exist, and it may also be that NO gods exist whatsoever.
I don't know and we'll probably never ever know. That's why I consider myself an "agnostic".
But what I can know for certain is that the Abrahamic god in particular (the monotheistic God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam), is by his own definition, either evil, nonexistent, or incorrectly defined.

The argument goes like this:




The Definition of the Abrahamic Monotheistic God


The Abrahamic God is defined by the scriptures of all three monotheistic religions as having the following main properties:

  1. All-Powerful (omnipotent)
  2. All-Knowing (omniscient)
  3. All-Loving (omnibenevolent)

The Existence of Evil and Suffering


Now we introduce into the argument the fact that Evil and Suffering exist.
This is a fact that we KNOW for certain. There is no going around that and we don't need to strive hard to find evidence for it.
People around the world are suffering... Badly... and A LOT.
One only needs to take a look at what's happening now in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Israel (no matter which side you're on).
One could also make mention of horrible atrocities of the past such as the holocaust, the multitude of world wars and any kind of wars, slavery, genocide and good ol' fashioned plunder.
One could even mention all kinds of massive natural disasters such as tsunamis, floods, huge fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, famine and plague.
In every instance of these events we see innocent people suffering and dying for no good reason.
That is the fact of the existence of evil and suffering.

If you're a monotheist, you may also replace the words "Evil and Suffering" with the word "Satan". It will have the same effect in this argument.

So what does the existence of evil and suffering has to do with the Abrahamic God? Everything.

God vs Evil and Suffering


  1. If indeed God is All-Powerful, that means he has the power and means to end evil and suffering.
  2. If indeed God is All-Knowing, that means he knows how to end evil and suffering in the best way possible.
  3. If indeed God is All-Loving, that means he would want to end evil and suffering because he loves his creation and would want the best for them.
If all of the 3 properties of the Abrahamic God were true (and that he existed of course), then obviously evil and suffering would not exist.
But, obviously, as we established a moment ago, evil and suffering do in fact exist.

So, at least one of the three properties of the Abrahamic God must be false.
Either that, or, he simply doesn't exist.
In my opinion, accepting that the Abrahamic God simply doesn't exist makes it much easier to cope with the existence of evil and suffering (as I mentioned in my first blog posts).

But let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a moment, and assume that he exists.
So, as I said, at least one of the 3 properties must be false.
Let's see what that would mean:
  1. If God is NOT All-Powerful... That would mean that you can't trust him with everything because he would not have the power to deal with it. How can you trust him to answer your prayers? How can you trust him with your salvation in the afterlife? How can you trust that he's even the one who created the universe? Aren't theists the ones who keep claiming that creating the universe would require an all-powerful being? So what kind of a monotheistic God is that anyway, one who is not all-powerful?
  2. If God is NOT All-Knowing... How can you trust him to HEAR your prayers? How can you trust him to know what to do in every situation? How can you trust him with prophecies? How can you trust him that he'd know who is a true believer and who is not, who is a good soul and who is not? How can you trust him to give good judgement? And if God is not All-Knowing, does that mean you can trick him? outsmart him? That's not very Godly, is it?
  3. If God is NOT All-Loving... Well that would actually explain quite a lot. But the big question here is... would you really want to worship a God like that? Wouldn't it be almost like worshiping Satan? In fact, it would also imply that Satan might actually be the good guy in this story because he's the one who supposedly rebelled against this God, and offered humanity knowledge of good and evil (based on the genesis story). So on whose side would you prefer to be? Are you sure you're on the right side? The righteous, good, and just side? If you're morally superior to your God... What does that say about your God? And what does that say about you for worshiping such a God?

Free Will


Ah, "freewill", the trusty 'trump-card' that monotheists love to use so much.
Unfortunately, your belief in Heaven and Hell pretty much causes this argument to self-destruct.
For you see, punishing someone for using their free will IS NOT FREE WILL.
It could be called "theocracy", or even "dictatorship". But "freewill"? No.
It's not "freewill" by any contemporary definition of the word.

You see, in a normal system of reward-punishment, it's imperative that all adherents of the system are witnessing the reward-punishment actually being implemented.
If you can never witness a criminal being sent to jail, or visit a prisoner in jail, how can you possibly know jails even exist?
If you can never witness a criminal being executed, and not being able to see the dead body of an executed criminal, how can you possibly know that criminal was even executed at all?
Maybe this criminal was spirited away somewhere to a foreign country? Living under a false identity and sipping mai-tais in some luxurious beach?

So yeah, if you could actually witness heaven and hell, THEN it would be a reasonable reward-punishment system. THEN it would make sense, and THEN society could actually improve so much more.
But you can't, can you? Not unless it's already too late.
But that doesn't make for a very effective system, does it?

Here's another huge problem with the concept of Hell:
An infinite punishment for a finite crime.. is infinitely EVIL.
If you look at it mathematically, it'll be like dividing any kind of number by infinity.
Let's assume theft is represented by a number. Let's say... 5.
Let's assume that rape is represented by a higher number. Let's say 100.
And let's say genocide is represented by a really huge number such as 1,000,000,000.
And let's say that innocence is represented by 0.
Mathematically, it doesn't matter which of these numbers you divide by infinity, it's just the same as dividing zero by infinity, and they all asymtote equally.
They asymptote to ZERO.
Which is how much morality your God has for using infinite punishment for finite crimes.

The Joker Card - The Fourth Property


This is what I like to call "the Joker card" of monotheists. It's another property of the Abrahamic God. Number 4, if you will... And that is:

4. God is Unknowable.

Well, isn't that convenient? God is unknowable... hmm. Yes that could mean that God has some ulterior motive... Some "grand plan", if you will... Which for whatever reason requires the death and suffering of billions of innocents and there's absolutely no other possible way to make it work even though your God is omnipotent. Or it could also mean that we as mere mortals are incapable of understanding God... Of understanding the meaning of his properties.
Well I'm sorry but I find that hard to swallow.
If God is unknowable, isn't it possible his properties are unknowable too? And maybe one or more of the 3 properties we mentioned earlier are even wrong?
If God is unknowable, isn't it even possible that he's deceptive? What if you got fooled and you're actually worshiping an evil God? Maybe it's Satan in disguise?
If God is unknowable, how can you know the worth of his "plan"? Maybe it's a really bad plan? Or an evil one?

All in all, this is a very convenient argument which rids the monotheist from any further explanation.
"You just have to take it by faith", they would say.
Well I'm sorry, buddy. But that's simply not good enough for me.

Conclusion


Due to all of the above, we inadvertently reach one of the following conclusions:
  1. One or more of the 3 Abrahamic God's properties is wrongly defined.
  2. God is unknowable (and not very trustworthy).
  3. The Abrahamic God doesn't exist.
Any one of the 3 conclusions above makes the Abrahamic God not much worthy of worship or belief.

A couple of weeks ago I visited the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem as part of a trip from work.
Even though I don't believe in God, I prepared a note to put in the wall, and this is what I wrote in it:

Dear God,

I truly hope you exist...
And that you have a really damn good excuse for all of this.


2 comments:

  1. You make some pretty outlandish assumptions here. coming from the perspective that you are trying to make a rational logical argument, I find it rather humorous, the logical flaws that you make.

    flaw #1 - If you can never witness a criminal being sent to jail, or visit a prisoner in jail, how can you possibly know jails even exist?

    Have you ever witnessed anyone actually being sent to jail? not me, i have seen people next to cop cars, sometimes handcuffed, sometimes not, and on some occasions they were actually in the vehicle, but how do we know they are whisked away to jail. Have you ever followed said cop car to the jail, and if so, how do you know they aren't just fingerprinted and then sent on their merry little way. have you ever talked to anyone inside a jail? Not me. have you ever visited a jail? Maybe those scenes that are on t.v. shows are actually stages ("Locked Up', "Scared Straight", etc.) And lastly, have you ever witnessed an execution. as you said, maybe these people are living outside the country under aliases.

    So tell me, how much of the penal system have you actually truly witnessed firsthand?

    flaw #2 (though this was mentioned first) For you see, punishing someone for using their free will IS NOT FREE WILL.

    you and I (assuming you live in a modern Western country) have free will pretty much every day of our lives. we live freely and we can walk in to a convenience store and take anything we wanted at the moment and freely walk out, and punishing us for excercising that right to free will is NOT "free will", right? Oh, no, wait, that's wrong, then you WOULD be witnessing our penal system firsthand, now wouldn't you. need I say more?!

    And lastly, as far as your mathematical punishment analogy goes, you should check in to a book, I believe it's called '3 felonies a day' (how the average citizen commits around 3 felony crimes a day)

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    1. "So tell me, how much of the penal system have you actually truly witnessed firsthand?"

      I've seen lots of it on television (I'm talking about the news, not fictional tv series). There's news about people going in and out of jail all the time.
      To assume that it's all part of some major conspiracy is beyond ridiculous, based on the number of people that must be involved alone.

      "we live freely and we can walk in to a convenience store and take anything we wanted at the moment and freely walk out"

      That is a false equivalence.
      The judicial system is not OMNIPOTENT. If it were, you think they'd think two seconds before making it IMPOSSIBLE for all people to commit crimes? Don't you realize just how many problems that could solve?
      No, you don't have "free will" so long as it's up to the judicial system. You do NOT have "free will" to commit crimes, whether it's taking candy from a store, or committing a mass genocide. The only reason you "can" do those things is because it's NOT up to the judicial system what you do.

      "I believe it's called '3 felonies a day' (how the average citizen commits around 3 felony crimes a day)"

      I doubt whether that's actually true. It probably stems from some average calculation. It doesn't mean that EVERY citizen commits 3 crimes a day.
      And actually, even if they did, it STILL doesn't amount to "infinity".

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